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Offline tgray

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Better Collection editing/organizing
« on: June 02, 2019, 07:08:42 AM »
It'd be nice to have more control over collections.  I'm sure these features are coming.  The comments below are for organizing collections in the left hand pane - I'm not talking about organizing the contents of the collection.

- Ability to delete a sub-collection.  Currently it appears to delete everything all the way up to the top-level collection.
- Drag and drop sub-collections into other top level collections, etc.
- Smart collections based on search criteria?

Offline JD McDowell

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Re: Better Collection editing/organizing
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2019, 03:28:12 PM »
I agree on the data driven categories. Being able to create a category that automatically updates based on camera model, or location, etc. would be nice.

Also 100% agree on the drag and drop.

Have you had any issues with the math (number of items) shown on the categories getting out of whack? This may be related to another issue with categories and multiple catalogs, but I've had categories with sub-categories that have only say 4 shots in total (i.e. 2 in one sub-category, 2 in the other) but the top level reads some other number, like 7 or 8.

I've been creating a top level category, then once I have that sheet showing with those shots I create sub categories and add the shots from the top level to the sub levels. Seems to have worked so far. I haven't tried deleting them yet.

Offline BillB

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Re: Better Collection editing/organizing
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2019, 03:05:01 PM »
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It'd be nice to have more control over collections.

I was going to create a Feature Request on this very topic, but it appears to already be in motion. I'll piggyback.

I agree with the perspectives presented here. The concepts introduced with the current Category and Collection functions are great additions to PM, but they hit quicksand as one realizes that although a structure of Collections can be readily created, it cannot be modified! Just as any application database evolves structurally with application and business needs, a catalog structure here needs the same flexibility. To inevitably have to delete "tables" and "relationships" (in DB terms) and move all their contents manually is not a workable prospect.

The current implementation would be dramatically enhanced, and made substantially more useful, with the ability to alter the relationships between collections, whether they be top or sub level collections. Drag and drop is a common means for managing relationships as this, and would be very effective here. An alternative option I've seen would be a "move" function on the context menu allowing one to move any collection beneath any another or to the top. A drag-and-drop solution would be optimal.

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- Ability to delete a sub-collection.  Currently it appears to delete everything all the way up to the top-level collection.

I can't say I've encountered this problem. I am able to delete sub-collections individually.

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- Smart collections based on search criteria

Almost as important as the collection relationships issue above. Not quite- but close! The ability to initially create or populate a collection from search results would be highly desirable. A step further would allow for the ability to maintain a collection's contents via an active criteria definition (smart collections).
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Offline syncrasy

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Re: Better Collection editing/organizing
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2019, 03:38:04 PM »
+1 for manual control over Collections list organization. Collections are at the core of my DAM (Media Pro) workflow. For example, I use collections (aka Catalog Sets) to maintain 100s of web galleries for nature/wildlife whose taxonomic hierarchical structure mirrors the galleries on my web site. I also use collections to segregate various other types of collections of images (stock vs client vs personal use). In Media Pro I can modify (rearrange/add/remove/edit) the collection items easily and can manage the hierarchy via drag and drop.

Of course, going hand-in-hand with this request is the ability to manually change (and have PM+ remember) the order of the images within a Collection (this has been requested elsewhere). Regular (non-smart) DAM collections are by definition manually curated groups of images; being able to control the organization/order of both the list of Collections and their contents is a necessity. For ease of use, drag and drop is preferable to a menu driven "move" function.

Regarding "drag and drop"...

I know Kirk has stated that, as a matter of design philosophy, PM+ currently shuns "drag and drop" (favoring menu-driven moves). I understand the motivation for this philosophy, especially for the case where dragging and dropping groups of thumbnails into the wrong folder can create headaches—or disasters if the action can't be undone. Perhaps PM+ could adopt a compromise, such as a selective drag and drop philosophy wherein drag and drop is prohibited for the most disaster-prone situations (e.g., moving thumbnails into folders) but allowed for less-risky situations (e.g., manually sorting thumbnails within the current Contact Sheet and/or Collection, and of course, manually rearranging the items in the Collections list). I think the rules for selective drag and drop could be fairly straightforward (e.g., disallow dragging/dropping between the Contact Sheet area and the Organizer area), but perhaps this would be technically difficult to implement, or might create even more usability problems, in which case I'd have to suggest that Camera Bits rethink its current "no drag and drop" philosophy and allow drag and drop universally in the interest of greater usability (acknowledging the risk for certain situations).
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