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Searching by keywords in PM 6
« on: June 06, 2019, 06:29:12 PM »
Hi,

I am a long time customer of PM, I just bought PM6 but I am still using PM5 because I really need to be able to search using the metadata that I have in my photos.

I have a very large archive with hundreds of thousands of images, in a large number of folders.  There is extensive metadata in both the keywords and caption fields.  I need to be able to pull up photos the way that I have always done it in PM5 - that is, by just using the search window and putting the results in a new contact sheet.

I understand that this function was removed in PM6.  I was told that there was a workaround that I could use with a BrowseWithPMService.service plugin.  I followed the instructions given to install the plugin, but I still don't understand how this recreates the old PM5 functionality.  I was also told to try the beta of PM plus, but I don't see how that lets me search by metadata terms either.

I suppose that I could continue to use PM5, but (1) it's kind of slow, and (2) I'm worried that at some point it will stop working with an OS upgrade (currently on OSX Mojave), and this type of search is absolutely crucial for this massive image archiving project.

Any ideas?

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Re: Searching by keywords in PM 6
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2019, 06:45:48 PM »
Mike,

I am a long time customer of PM, I just bought PM6 but I am still using PM5 because I really need to be able to search using the metadata that I have in my photos.

I have a very large archive with hundreds of thousands of images, in a large number of folders.  There is extensive metadata in both the keywords and caption fields.  I need to be able to pull up photos the way that I have always done it in PM5 - that is, by just using the search window and putting the results in a new contact sheet.

I understand that this function was removed in PM6.  I was told that there was a workaround that I could use with a BrowseWithPMService.service plugin.

Where did you hear that workaround?

I followed the instructions given to install the plugin, but I still don't understand how this recreates the old PM5 functionality.

I expect that you'd do a Spotlight search from the desktop and then right-click on the folder containing the result(s) and choose Browse with Photo Mechanic from the contextual menu.  But that would be rather painful.

I was also told to try the beta of PM plus, but I don't see how that lets me search by metadata terms either.

Did you read the readme and the information at the bottom of it that tells you how to get started?

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Re: Searching by keywords in PM 6
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2019, 03:21:34 AM »
Thanks for the reply!

The workaround was emailed to me from the support@camerabits.com account.

I wasn't sure how I would do a spotlight search the way that I had done it in PM5.  For example, I use the caption field for a description of the contents of the photo.  So if I wanted to find all of the photos that I had of my friends Steve and Bill together, I would select from the dropdown menus: Caption, Contains, All, and then put "Steve, Bill" in the search window.

Very simple, quick, powerful, and useful.  I could narrow down results by appending other search criteria.

Maybe I'm not using spotlight correctly, but I don't see how to search the captions with that.  If I put "Steve, Bill" into a spotlight search, it will look for those search terms in entire documents, and "captions" isn't an option in the additional search criteria.

I actually looked at the support forum for PM plus, and it seems like there are a lot of beta version issues.  I would rather not start working with this until it is a finished product.

I guess I can just continue to use PM5, but it's a shame that the main reason why I continue to purchase this fairly expensive piece of software has been eliminated.


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Re: Searching by keywords in PM 6
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2019, 05:43:26 AM »
Hi,
Have you tried using Command+F in PM6?
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Re: Searching by keywords in PM 6
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2019, 08:41:02 PM »
Command+F is the find command, I believe that it just lets you search within a single open contact sheet.

I have several hundred thousand images with captions and keywords, stored in several hundred folders.  I want to be able to pull up images from that entire archive that match specific search criteria, as was possible in PM5 using the search feature.

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Re: Searching by keywords in PM 6
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2019, 08:46:18 AM »
So is the consensus that in order to search my photo archives using metadata embedded in the images, I need to stick with PM5?

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Re: Searching by keywords in PM 6
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2019, 06:48:00 AM »
So is the consensus that in order to search my photo archives using metadata embedded in the images, I need to stick with PM5?

I'm curious about what makes your embedded metadata escape PM6's attention. A short quote from section IPTC/XMP in the PM6 ReadMe.pdf:

"Reading of IPTC vs. XMP metadata is now handled automatically. XMP is preferred
over IPTC, but any IPTC fields missing in XMP are now included. For RAW files with
both embedded XMP and an XMP sidecar file, the most recently modified XMP will be
loaded. This is consistent with Adobe’s handling of conflicting IPTC/XMP metadata."

If you have conflicting metadata, there may possibly be ways to resolve the conflicts and make the "correct" values available to PM?
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Re: Searching by keywords in PM 6
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2019, 10:35:21 PM »
Odd, he was referring to the fact PM6 no longer has the (Mac only) Spotlight search capability.
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