Quote from: DavidHoffmanuk Yesterday at 11:21:42 AM
You're right. The 'combined view' setting is the reason for the counts shown in my collection tab differing from the count in the contact sheet. The numbers do match when that box is unchecked. That's solved that mystery but with 2 test collections I made this morning I selected 2000 and 5000 and the collections that resulted contained 1998 and 4995 images. I made a new 5000 set and added a unique keyword before adding them to a collection. That made a collection containing 5000 as it should - not repeating the earlier behaviour. When I used find/exchange to remove the test keyword the dialog reported having removed it from 441 images, not 5000. A search found no files with that keyword. Doesn't seem to be a problem but I wanted to document it.
Kirk:
Sounds like a problem to me, but I'm kind of confused as to what you're describing.
I'm confused too! The behaviours are not consistent.
I made 2 collections from 2000 & 5000 selected images but they only contained 1998 & 4995 images. To try and see which images were in the selection but not in the collection I keyworded all the selected 5000 set with a unique keyword so that I could then remove it from the 4995 images that had made it into the collection leaving, I hoped, only the 5 missing files with that keyword so that I could find them. That didn't work because, this time, the collection I made from those 5000 images did actually contain 5000, not the 4995 I ended up with last time. Having failed to find the 5 files apparently missing in the previous collection I used find/exchange to delete that keyword. On completion that reported having removed it from just 441 images - however there were no images left with the keyword so it had actually been removed from all 5000.
Quote from: DavidHoffmanuk on Yesterday at 11:21:42 AM
I still can't add large numbers of files to a collection.
Kirk:
The collection add process needs some serious optimization. First, it is slow. Second, it requires that the contact sheet have all of the metadata for all of the images preloaded before they can be added to a collection.
In the future, I will be looking for a way to make this a non-issue. In the meantime, you'll get the best results with smaller sets of images being added at once, or by scrolling through all of the images until they load if you're going to add many thousands of images to a collection.
It's not just making the collections that is slow. Most metadata operations with large numbers are painfully slow and often seem unnecessary. When PM+ encounters a dud file it abandons the operation. It would be better to skip & report it.
Making a collection with maybe 50 or 100k images in batches of a few thousand is not very practical. Each addition can be quite fast but often it can take quite a long time.
Quote from: DavidHoffmanuk on Yesterday at 11:21:42 AM
I did a new search for files with no keyword. That found 211996, I tried to make a new collection with them but despite several attempts that collection remained empty... [remainder of quote cut]
Kirk:
Yes, this is the preload problem. The thing is, in the catalog database, only the item's ID is needed for inclusion in a collection. So it should be able to be made much more efficient and reliable.
When you get to start working on the collections it would be very useful if it were possible also to implement some/all of the points in this feature request I made last year:
I use collections a lot but the forced alphabetical order makes navigation slow and efficient grouping impossible. Moving sub-collections to different parents is too slow and clunky to allow full use of this feature.
The way that this was implemented in Media Pro (called catalog fields there) was more user friendly in this respect and it would add to functionality and ease of use if something similar could be developed in PM+.
Media Pro highlighted the collections that contained selected images, one could ctrl-click a collection to select the contents of a collection in the contact sheet and cmd-click a collection to add it to those already in a contact sheet. I found these features useful and used them often. I hope I'm not alone!
David
