portrait orientation lost in Lightroom after PM edit

[nikkoreye]

I'm running Photo Mechanic 4.6.7 on Mac OS X 10.6.7.

Portrait orientation was lost in Lightroom 3.4.1 after PM edit of NEF/JPG/XMP files.

1) Import some NEF/JPG pairs (two years old) into Adobe Lightroom 3.4.1 (LR), NEFs made with Nikon D700, once edited with and JPGs produced by Nikon ViewNX 1.5 (WinXP).
2) Portrait orientation is displayed correctly in LR, LR writes new XMP sidecar file.
3) Edit IPTC/XMP info with PM (add keywords, correct location, add photographer info), write down changes to NEF, JPG and XMP.
4) Portrait orientation is still displayed correctly in PM.
5) "Synchronise folder" in LR, read metadata changes into LR
6) LR displays portrait orientated pictures as landscape.

Any hints where to look?

My guess is that the XMP file re-written by PM contains the wrong orientation. Where is the portrait/landscape orientation coded in an XMP file?

[Kirk Baker]

I'm running Photo Mechanic 4.6.7 on Mac OS X 10.6.7.

Portrait orientation was lost in Lightroom 3.4.1 after PM edit of NEF/JPG/XMP files.

1) Import some NEF/JPG pairs (two years old) into Adobe Lightroom 3.4.1 (LR), NEFs made with Nikon D700, once edited with and JPGs produced by Nikon ViewNX 1.5 (WinXP).
2) Portrait orientation is displayed correctly in LR, LR writes new XMP sidecar file.
3) Edit IPTC/XMP info with PM (add keywords, correct location, add photographer info), write down changes to NEF, JPG and XMP.
4) Portrait orientation is still displayed correctly in PM.
5) "Synchronise folder" in LR, read metadata changes into LR
6) LR displays portrait orientated pictures as landscape.

Any hints where to look?

My guess is that the XMP file re-written by PM contains the wrong orientation. Where is the portrait/landscape orientation coded in an XMP file?

I don't know offhand.  Please post one of your XMP sidecar files before and after the edit by PM.  It should be simple to figure out what changed then.  Use the 'Additional Options...' link when you're composing your reply to this message and there you'll be able to upload your XMP sidecar files.

Thanks,

-Kirk

[nikkoreye]

...send you an offline message with the two files

[nikkoreye]

Hello, any news on this topic?

[Kirk Baker]

Hello, any news on this topic?

No.  Dennis is looking into it.

-Kirk

[Kirk Baker]

...send you an offline message with the two files

Could we have a set of before and after photos and sidecars?  One set before PM is used and one set after PM is used?

Thanks,

-Kirk

[nikkoreye]

Hello, it seems to be a bug in Lightroom. I import one of these once ViewNX-edited NEF files (portrait orientation) into Lightroom (LR) and create a sidecar file (PM also shows portrait orientation without and with sidecar file). Then I drop this photo from LR and re-import it in LR. Et voilà, now LR displays a landscape oriented photo.

It even happens (display landscape orientation of a portrait oriented photo) when I create a file copy of the NEF/XMP pair of the image already imported into LR to another folder (using command line and cp) and import this file pair into LR (with unchecking "drop duplicates" in the import dialogue).

Some lecture I found about this problem:
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom_sometimes_changes_orientation_inadvertently
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/photo_orientation_lost_in_lightroom

[nikkoreye]

http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/orientation_changes_by_90_degree

[Kirk Baker]

http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/orientation_changes_by_90_degree

OK, then we will consider this issue closed.

-Kirk