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AI culling software embedded something in my RAW files?
« on: June 23, 2025, 10:05:59 AM »
AI culling software embedded something in my RAW files? While AI was culling, I was still culling the same session manually in Photo Mechanic. I didn't like the AI results, uninstalled it. Came back to Photo Mechanic and all my files were randomly tagged by different colors! I only use ONE - red.

And so all my manual culling work of the day seems to be lost. All the files I tagged red (as my "yes" for the selection) are now green, blue or yellow. Now actually all of the raws have a color tagged assign, even those that I skipped.

The software was ImagenAI and Aftershoot. While running the AI culling I kept on working through the same session manually in Photo Mechanic with intent to compare the results and decide of the AI is of any help at all.
First I ran ImagenAI, it uploaded low-res previews to the cloud and made a selection I didn't like. Then I tried Aftershoot. It selected over 50% of the raws, and I normally select only 10-15%. I thought I had enough of it and uninstalled both ImagenAI and Aftershoot by going to their location and running "uninstall". After this I went back to Photo Mechanic to continue the culling manually. Only to see all my files color tagged with yellow, blue and green, both selected and skipped are mixed all together again. What a joke.
But how is it even possible? Could one of the AIs (I suspect Aftershoot is the culprit) change something in my original raws? mark them somehow? It was using star ratings that had according colors, so *, **, ***, **** and ***** ratings could be written into the program like an equivalent of a color mark? If so, does Photo Mechanic see this too? And it overrides my previous selection?
Is there any data security concern with AI marking our files with extra data?

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Re: AI culling software embedded something in my RAW files?
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2025, 10:21:52 AM »
First I ran ImagenAI, it uploaded low-res previews to the cloud and made a selection I didn't like. Then I tried Aftershoot. It selected over 50% of the raws, and I normally select only 10-15%. I thought I had enough of it and uninstalled both ImagenAI and Aftershoot by going to their location and running "uninstall". After this I went back to Photo Mechanic to continue the culling manually. Only to see all my files color tagged with yellow, blue and green, both selected and skipped are mixed all together again. What a joke.
But how is it even possible? Could one of the AIs (I suspect Aftershoot is the culprit) change something in my original raws? mark them somehow? It was using star ratings that had according colors, so *, **, ***, **** and ***** ratings could be written into the program like an equivalent of a color mark? If so, does Photo Mechanic see this too? And it overrides my previous selection?

The application likely understands XMP and has changed the color labels (PM and Lightroom use the same fields for this).  PM is going to use the values in the XMP (probably a .XMP sidecar file) just like it would if PM had set the values itself.

Is there any data security concern with AI marking our files with extra data?

It's not really extra data, it's industry-standard data that many photography-related apps use and understand.

That said, unless I had access to your files (RAW and XMP sidecar file) before the AI-powered app was involved and the modified files afterward, the above is just an educated guess.

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Re: AI culling software embedded something in my RAW files?
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2025, 02:02:12 PM »
That turned out to be true, I deleted all .xmp files and now all the color tags are reset. AI software just added these and it overwrote the manual selection.
Phew seems like AI is not taking over the raws after all haha!

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Re: AI culling software embedded something in my RAW files?
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2025, 08:22:46 AM »
Yeah, I didn't like Aftershoot as much either. Tried it 3 times..
Narrative Select on the other hand I like a lot, I think Photomechanic could borrow few things from it..

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Re: AI culling software embedded something in my RAW files?
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2025, 10:02:51 AM »
Max, I'm with you on Narrative. It's taking over the culling portion of my workflow. I'd love to see PM pick up a few of the Narrative features. PM still my place for captions and keywords though. Now I need to get our office to update so we can get content credentials.

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Re: AI culling software embedded something in my RAW files?
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2025, 10:22:06 AM »
Would it be possible for you two to describe what PM should be doing that the other software does?

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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2025, 01:33:57 PM »
Would it be possible for you two to describe what PM should be doing that the other software does?

Things I do in enjoy in Narrative are:
- grouping of images, so I review them in sets. Makes the culling process less daunting when you need to review 200 sets and pick a few from each, rather that review 3000 images straight. It even shows you how many sets there are
- zoom on faces (the best out of all — Aftershoot, Capture one)
- AI rating suggestions. Unlike Aftershoot, Narrative doesn't rate images for you, but it makes suggestions – blue is good, grey is ok, red is bad. Plus it makes suggestion on eyes and sharpness — the greener the better.

I don't really use or like their AI presets for LR editing, plus they don't support capture one. But their assisted culling is the best of two worlds in my opinion - not fully AI, but AI-assisted.

I've been hoping PM would adopt the best elements from the competitors for the last few years
« Last Edit: June 24, 2025, 03:07:56 PM by Max Lemesh »