Most Color and Star tags not being picked up on import scan from Capture One

[rjh1007]

I am trialing PM+ build 5438 for use with Capture One 20.  I have imported several folders from Capture One that include keywords, star ratings and color tags.  When viewing after import it appears to be quite random on what is picked up by PM+. In the CO folder there are 20 images tagged 5 star and 5 images tagged green 5 star.  In PM+ only 3 images total had any tags and they are all green 5 star. Either I am doing something wrong in my setup or PM+ is not picking up the tags.  I have tried this on several folders and am getting similar results. I would appreciate any advice/help.  If this is how it will be with PM+ I won't be able to use it.

NOTE: If after the import scan to PM+ and back in CO, I star and color tag other images and then sync metadata within CO, immediately the new star and color tags appear in PM+, however, none of the originally color tagged images.  Also only xmp files were written for just the images I tagged after the original import to PM+.  Something just isn't working correctly.

Thanks
Bob

[Kirk Baker]

Bob,

I am trialing PM+ build 5438 for use with Capture One 20.  I have imported several folders from Capture One that include keywords, star ratings and color tags.  When viewing after import it appears to be quite random on what is picked up by PM+. In the CO folder there are 20 images tagged 5 star and 5 images tagged green 5 star.  In PM+ only 3 images total had any tags and they are all green 5 star. Either I am doing something wrong in my setup or PM+ is not picking up the tags.  I have tried this on several folders and am getting similar results. I would appreciate any advice/help.  If this is how it will be with PM+ I won't be able to use it.

NOTE: If after the import scan to PM+ and back in CO, I star and color tag other images and then sync metadata within CO, immediately the new star and color tags appear in PM+, however, none of the originally color tagged images.  Also only xmp files were written for just the images I tagged after the original import to PM+.  Something just isn't working correctly.

What type of images are you working with?  RAW?  Which kinds?  Non-RAW?  Both?

-Kirk

[rjh1007]

Kirk
Both
Raw - Primarily Sony ARW, Panasonic ORF, Fuji RAF
TIFF and a very few jpeg and psd
The images in question were all arw and tif.

Another very interesting note - I just another folder and in it only tif's are color and star tagged, however, in PM+ the raw .arw files that the tif's were created from are also tagged the same as the tif files.  That really messes with my head.
Bob

[Kirk Baker]

Bob,

Both
Raw - Primarily Sony ARW, Panasonic ORF, Fuji RAF
TIFF and a very few jpeg and psd
The images in question were all arw and tif.

Another very interesting note - I just another folder and in it only tif's are color and star tagged, however, in PM+ the raw .arw files that the tif's were created from are also tagged the same as the tif files.  That really messes with my head.

Is it possible that the metadata (ratings and color labels) aren't making their way into the files that aren't working?  If the ratings and color labels are only represented in C1's database and aren't in the actual files (either in XMP sidecar files or via metadata embedded in the photo) then PM Plus isn't going to see that data.

-Kirk

[rjh1007]

Kirk
It has to be getting through at least with some images. In my opening post example of 20 images, 5 are sequentially numbered out of camera images, all converted to tif's, all green 5 star that were adjusted and converted into tif's the same day using PS and they appear in CO as green 5 star - however, only 3 came across as green 5 star. There have been n other versions created, no adjustments.
The same thing appears to be happening in other folders.
Bob

[Kirk Baker]

Bob,

It has to be getting through at least with some images. In my opening post example of 20 images, 5 are sequentially numbered out of camera images, all converted to tif's, all green 5 star that were adjusted and converted into tif's the same day using PS and they appear in CO as green 5 star - however, only 3 came across as green 5 star. There have been n other versions created, no adjustments.
The same thing appears to be happening in other folders.

If you'd like to share an image that doesn't work correctly, I'd be happy to investigate the metadata.

-Kirk

[rjh1007]

Kirk
Before I waste your time examining files it might be a lot simpler.  It appears that none of the tif files that I have tagged with color and/or star ratings are picking up and displaying these in PM+.  The xmp is being created for each of them from Capture one - I can see them and read them in explorer.  What settings do I need to change and also what command do I use to rescan a folder?

If you need more there are several files from the above discussion in particular, however, they are fairly large tif's.  Would a jpeg version of the tif work or will it have lost some of the needed metadata in conversion?  I can also provide the CO generated xmp for the tif if that would be helpful.
Bob

[Kirk Baker]

Bob,

Before I waste your time examining files it might be a lot simpler.  It appears that none of the tif files that I have tagged with color and/or star ratings are picking up and displaying these in PM+.  The xmp is being created for each of them from Capture one - I can see them and read them in explorer.  What settings do I need to change and also what command do I use to rescan a folder?

If you need more there are several files from the above discussion in particular, however, they are fairly large tif's.  Would a jpeg version of the tif work or will it have lost some of the needed metadata in conversion?  I can also provide the CO generated xmp for the tif if that would be helpful.

PM Plus is going to ignore any XMP sidecar files for file types that should have embedded XMP.  TIFF, JPEG, PSD, and DNG.  Why doesn't Capture One put the XMP metadata in TIFF files where it belongs?

-Kirk

[rjh1007]

Kirk
Great
I wanted to use PM+ as a substitute catalog for Capture One and I know I am not the only one.  Please help me to understand how I can get all of my color tags, star ratings and keywords that have been applied to my raw, tif and psd files in Capture One over to PM+.  It seems that that there is an impasse.  CO will absolutely not write metadata to a file only to an xmp file and it appears to me that PM+ will not read these xmp files for anything but raw.  There must be some way without having to rekey everything and if that is the case then what is the point.

Is there someone out there who is able to have PM read all their color and star ratings from Capture One?
Thanks
Bob

[Soizic]

 Hello
It is possible to find  stars and colors in Capture one. You should not use output processing but export.
Personally in Photo Mechanic I put colors in the RAW. Capture one finds  and stars at  first loading; if this information is put later, it is necessary to load the metadata to find them.

[Kirk Baker]

Bob,

I wanted to use PM+ as a substitute catalog for Capture One and I know I am not the only one.  Please help me to understand how I can get all of my color tags, star ratings and keywords that have been applied to my raw, tif and psd files in Capture One over to PM+.  It seems that that there is an impasse.  CO will absolutely not write metadata to a file only to an xmp file and it appears to me that PM+ will not read these xmp files for anything but raw.  There must be some way without having to rekey everything and if that is the case then what is the point.

Honestly, it's really horrible that they have made that design decision.  I wonder what they expect to happen when a RAW file and a TIFF file are in the same directory with the same base name and you want to have different metadata for each of them?  They share the same XMP sidecar file and it can't be done.

TIFF is an exceptionally well-documented image file format that is perfectly capable of containing XMP metadata.

Is there really no preference in C1 that will force it to update metadata inside file formats that are perfectly capable of containing metadata?

-Kirk

[rjh1007]

Kirk
I have found an answer - not a prefect solution, however, I can make it work.

1st CO definitely will not write to a raw file and probably never will.  So to get my metadata to PM+ I will have to have CO sync metadata to all raw images I want in PM+ - essentially writing to xmp files. This I knew and works perfectly with PM+.

2nd for tif files - I was color and star tagging after creation either within CO or roundtripping to PS and back. Virtually all my tifs are like this as often I decide after the fact the final star and color.  Apparently CO will not write the metadata to the tif after the fact.  However, I find the metadata can be written to the tif as it is being created either in a roundtrip or within CO and this will be automatically picked up by PM+. Yay!  The big downside is that I now have to change my workflow and either decide before hand on the rating and color tags or after the fact if I want to change them I then have to recreate a new tiff with the new color and star and subsequently delete the previous tif.  ARRGGH!!

Thanks for your patience with me. I knew that is was the standard to write metadata to the tif and because I could see and read the metadata in CO it never twigged that they were not writing it to the file after the fact. I thought it had to be some lack of communication between PM+ and CO.

At the PM+ end everything I need so far is working perfectly.
Bob

[Kirk Baker]

Bob,

Thanks for your patience with me. I knew that is was the standard to write metadata to the tif and because I could see and read the metadata in CO it never twigged that they were not writing it to the file after the fact. I thought it had to be some lack of communication between PM+ and CO.

At the PM+ end everything I need so far is working perfectly.

That's good to hear.  Thanks for following up.

-Kirk