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Sort by Capture Time has Changed
« on: February 20, 2025, 11:30:15 AM »
Here's a little context before I describe the issue.
Our photographers transmit JPEGs live from our events. When we get the RAW image files to archive, copies of the transmitted JPEGs are retained on the camera cards along with the RAWs so when we copy them to  our hard drive we have both. We then sort by capture time so the images sort by capture time and the JPEGs and RAW files end up next to each other so we can mark the RAw versions of the images that were transmitted so we can ensure that they get archived.

However, at some point in the past year it stopped working like this. Now, the JPEGs and RAW files are spread out within the same second, so if the photographer took 10 shots in that second, the RAW files all sort properly, but the JPEGs are scattered and don't always sit next to their RAW counterpart. This is especially evident when a photographer transmits an image once and then a minute or two later transmits an altered version of the same image. This makes it take longer for us to figure out which RAW file a JPEG goes with so we can mark it. I have attached a screenshot that exemplifies this issue. The JPEGs in the screenshot are labeled in red and their associated RAW files have 2 stars. All of the variations of an image, RAW and JPEG, would sit together, now they are spread out.

I assume that there is a secondary sort order at work here. Once it sorts by Capture Time, it looks like it is sorting by modification date (just a guess). Is there a way to change this? It would save us a lot of time.

I have version 6 installed, but also downloaded a trial of the latest version (2025.1, build 8239) and it behaves the same.
This is on a Mac M1 Studio running 14.7.1.

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Re: Sort by Capture Time has Changed
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2025, 11:49:34 AM »
I assume that there is a secondary sort order at work here. Once it sorts by Capture Time, it looks like it is sorting by modification date (just a guess). Is there a way to change this? It would save us a lot of time.

If you have PM join your RAW and JPEG images, they'll pair up and then you'll never have to hunt for them, no matter how you sort them.

View->Combined images

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Re: Sort by Capture Time has Changed
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2025, 11:56:34 AM »
Thanks for your reply Kirk, unfortunately that doesn't work in this situation.
The photographers are shooting only RAW. The JPEGs are only created for those images that are transmitted. When doing this on Nikon, the camera creates a new file name for each transmitted file.

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Re: Sort by Capture Time has Changed
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2025, 12:08:51 PM »
I looked at the sorting code and it first compares the capture times.  If they're exactly the same, then it sorts based on their filenames.

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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2025, 12:20:22 PM »
Has that coding changed in the past year or so? I'm just trying to figure out what has changed and if it can be reverted. At this point I am wondering if it's just that our main photographer has started burst shooting more and that is what's causing this. If the coding hasn't changed and I am not able to change the secondary sort on my end, I suppose it is photographer behavior that has changed.

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Re: Sort by Capture Time has Changed
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2025, 12:23:12 PM »
Has that coding changed in the past year or so? I'm just trying to figure out what has changed and if it can be reverted. At this point I am wondering if it's just that our main photographer has started burst shooting more and that is what's causing this. If the coding hasn't changed and I am not able to change the secondary sort on my end, I suppose it is photographer behavior that has changed.

I believe that it has been that way since PM6 was first released.

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Re: Sort by Capture Time has Changed
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2025, 12:28:04 PM »
Okay, thanks Kirk. I appreciate your time.

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Re: Sort by Capture Time has Changed
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2025, 12:28:50 PM »
I looked at the source code to PM5.  It also compared Capture Times, and if equal, compared filenames.

So it's been this way for more than a decade.

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