Crop not showing up in other editors

[Darin Simmons]

Good day,

I've got an issue with the crops.  Specifically, I have not been able to have them show up in the sample of editors.

So far, I've tried ON1 Photo, RawTherapee, Luminar Neo, and Affinity Pro.  I don't remember if CaptureOne recognized them.

I searched the forums and found
"Photo Mechanic's crops are "Adobe" crops.  Adobe created the XMP tags for the format of the crop and we are compatible with them.  If NX-D is picking up on those crops then NX-D is also compatible with "Adobe" crops.  But as you said, you cleared them.  If the data is gone then I think NX-D is having some other issue.  If you can give me a sample file that exhibits the problem, I can investigate the file to see if it has any vestiges of a crop in it." - Kirk

and I feel like I remember seeing in one of the YT videos that crops are attached to the RAW as metadata.  I could have totally messed that up.

Do I need to do something in PM in order for the crop to carry over?   Is it possible that only Adobe sees the crop?  (Please, please, please don't let this be the case.)  I'm guessing it's some sort of user+tech spec+programming choice issue but I don't have any idea how to actually track it down.

[Kirk Baker]

I've got an issue with the crops.  Specifically, I have not been able to have them show up in the sample of editors.

Photo Mechanic's crop metadata is in the same format (XMP namespace) as Adobe's crops.  Any other editor that can read and write Adobe crops would be compatible.  There is no setting to change how Photo Mechanic stores and retrieves crop metadata.

-Kirk

[Darin Simmons]

I've got an issue with the crops.  Specifically, I have not been able to have them show up in the sample of editors.

Photo Mechanic's crop metadata is in the same format (XMP namespace) as Adobe's crops.  Any other editor that can read and write Adobe crops would be compatible.  There is no setting to change how Photo Mechanic stores and retrieves crop metadata.

-Kirk

Got it.  I can see the crop in the .xmp

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photomechanic:CropImageWidth="6004"
   photomechanic:CropImageHeight="4004"
   photomechanic:ColorClass="0"
   photomechanic:Tagged="False"
   photomechanic:Prefs="0:0:1:002302"
   photomechanic:PMVersion="2025.1.7955"
   crs:HasSettings="False"
   crs:AlreadyApplied="False"
   crs:HasCrop="True"
   crs:CropLeft="0.067558"
   crs:CropTop="0.152077"
   crs:CropRight="0.999995"
   crs:CropBottom="0.986049"
   crs:CropAngle="-0.574695"
   crs:CropConstrainToWarp="0"
When one sends the file from PM to an editor via the Image->edit->choose editor , is an attempt made to send .xmp with it?  For example, raw therapee throws a warning about the font-used but throws no info/warnings/error about the xmp.    Put another way, if I want to export the crop to a non-Adobe product, is the breakdown in the handshake or is the other program receiving the xmp and ignoring it?  The conclusion I'm coming to - that I do not want to come to - is that the other programs are being sent the xmp and ignoring it.  Is that your sense?

[Kirk Baker]

Darrin,

When one sends the file from PM to an editor via the Image->edit->choose editor , is an attempt made to send .xmp with it?  For example, raw therapee throws a warning about the font-used but throws no info/warnings/error about the xmp.    Put another way, if I want to export the crop to a non-Adobe product, is the breakdown in the handshake or is the other program receiving the xmp and ignoring it?  The conclusion I'm coming to - that I do not want to come to - is that the other programs are being sent the xmp and ignoring it.  Is that your sense?

PM tells the chosen editor to open the image file, supplying the full path to the file.  It never has provided an editor a path to the XMP file (not all image types use them, the XMP is contained within the image file itself).  It is incumbent on the editor that consumes, edits, and updates XMP sidecar files to check if a XMP file exists as a sibling file in the same directory.

However, if you select an image and drag and drop it to another program, the image and all other associated files (XMP, WAV, etc.) will be provided.  If that makes one or more of the editors show an Adobe-compatible crop, then please let me know and we'll see what we can do to accommodate that when using those editors for editing a photo.

My expectation is that the other editors you listed do not use Adobe crops at all.

And I have no idea why Raw Therapee throws an error about a font when nothing specifies a font when telling an editor to open an image file.  It's likely some configuration issue between it and your system.

-Kirk

[Darin Simmons]

However, if you select an image and drag and drop it to another program, the image and all other associated files (XMP, WAV, etc.) will be provided.  If that makes one or more of the editors show an Adobe-compatible crop, then please let me know and we'll see what we can do to accommodate that when using those editors for editing a photo.

Tried drag-and-drop and/or "open with" on Windows and none of ON1, Luminar Neo, Affinity Photo 2, or RawTherapee seemed to pick up the data.  Thanks for the offer.  I'll go back to see if CaptureOne sees it.

[Darin Simmons]

FYI, turns out that CaptureOne works correctly (opens file to edit view and displays crop).  I tried both with drag-and-drop and PM edit(E), and both worked.