Entering IPTC data workflow

[Brendan]

1. it doesnt work, I press ALT + ALTGR + 8

2. its not the best usability, this shortcut. at best, let the user set up their own

[Kirk Baker]

1. it doesnt work, I press ALT + ALTGR + 8

2. its not the best usability, this shortcut. at best, let the user set up their own

Unfortunately that is not feasible at this time.  It would have to wait for a much larger update.

If you can suggest alternate keyboard shortcuts that would be efficient for you I can see about adding them in to the 4.5.3 version.

-Kirk

[hjens]

1. it doesnt work, I press ALT + ALTGR + 8

I guess the Alt + Ü would give this one of the short-cuts, isn't it?

Henning.

[Hayo Baan]

What is a "german tastatur layout"?

Tastatur is German for keyboard

Do you not have square bracket keys on your keyboard?

Of course, I have, but we have to press AltGR +  8 or 9 ..

That sounds like just two keystrokes just like the English keyboards, does it not?

Kirk, what Brendan meant is that on a German keyboard, you need to press AltGR (the right alt key) plus 8 to get a [ and AltGR+9 to get a ].  Thus to get Alt+[ he needs to press Alt+AltGr+8 which is a bit cumbersome.

One of the reasons I always stick with a US keyboard layout
(and with setting the layout to US International, you still can easily type the accented letters)

Cheers

[Brendan]

If you can suggest alternate keyboard shortcuts that would be efficient for you I can see about adding them in to the 4.5.3 version.

intuitionally is ALT + Arrow Key.  (next / prev with saving)
for without saving e.g. STRG + Arrow key..

in long-term, at best this should be able to defined by the user.

[Hayo Baan]

If you can suggest alternate keyboard shortcuts that would be efficient for you I can see about adding them in to the 4.5.3 version.

intuitionally is ALT + Arrow Key.  (next / prev with saving)
for without saving e.g. STRG + Arrow key..

in long-term, at best this should be able to defined by the user.

Kirk, sounds like a good alternative to me!
(STRG by the way is the Shift key )

Cheers

[Kirk Baker]

If you can suggest alternate keyboard shortcuts that would be efficient for you I can see about adding them in to the 4.5.3 version.

intuitionally is ALT + Arrow Key.  (next / prev with saving)
for without saving e.g. STRG + Arrow key..

Shift-Arrow (left or right) would select text in the text field that you're currently in and I don't want to lose that capability.  I can see using Alt-Arrow (left or right), but you'll have to suggest another for the without saving case.

-Kirk

[TiggerGTO]

I've played with the IPTC stationery and generally like the way it works.  I've accidentally applied the wrong stationery during an ingest.  When I went back and tried to change the value of a field (event, I think) the new value got appended to the existing wrong value.  Is there a quick and easy way to replace the entire field rather than do an append, preferably in bulk mode?

Thanks,
Danny Levenson

[Kirk Baker]

Danny,

I've played with the IPTC stationery and generally like the way it works.  I've accidentally applied the wrong stationery during an ingest.  When I went back and tried to change the value of a field (event, I think) the new value got appended to the existing wrong value.  Is there a quick and easy way to replace the entire field rather than do an append, preferably in bulk mode?

Yes, turn off the '+' checkbox (that checkbox tells it to append when set to on) next to the field and reapply the IPTC Stationery Pad.

-Kirk

[Brendan]

haaeeee SHIFT and STRG is not the same?!??!?!

[Hayo Baan]

Oops, I'm sorry, the STRG key is the Control key (my bad, doh  ).   However, Kirk's remark is still valid; Ctrl-Left and Ctrl-Right already have a function (word left, word right) in input fields so would be unusable.
To throw in another alternative, how about Alt+Up and Alt+Down for next/previous without save?

[Brendan]

you're right.

we need two shortcuts, one without saving.

AlrGR + arrow keys for saving.. hmm

Or:

STRG + Ins  and + Up  without saving
STRG + Del  +  Down  saving

But if we really take care about speed, we should use something like ALT - Z and Alt + X (german: alt + Y)

For the others, we have to move our hands more

[Hayo Baan]

AlrGR + arrow keys for saving.. hmm

Nice and easy, but I'm not sure if they would work on all keyboards; if you don't specify US international, but standard US, your right Alt is just an Alt key, not an AltGr key!

STRG + Ins  and + Up  without saving
STRG + Del  +  Down  saving

Pressing three keys, I thought you tried to prevent that or do I misunderstand you???  Anyway, I stick with my earlier proposition in this case: Alt+Up and Alt+Down for no save.  Nice and easy, as well as almost fully intuitive (or so I hope).

By the way, CTRL + Ins is already defined and means "Copy".  (the same as Shift+Ins means "Paste" and Shift+Del means "Cut").

But if we really take care about speed, we should use something like ALT - Z and Alt + X (german: alt + Y)

For the others, we have to move our hands more

That is nice and easy, but not really intuitive (why Alt+Y for german? the Z and X are positioned the same, aren't they?).  The Alt+[, Alt+] and Alt+Shift+[ and Alt+Shift+] are at least intuitive as soon as you've used them once.  Oh, and the Z is not positioned the same on a French keyboard either...

Well, anyway, maybe Kirk can think of a nice combo, but to be honest I like the keys as they are.  Perhaps you should simply get a real and standard keyboard 

Have fun

[Brendan]

> Nice and easy, but I'm not sure if they would work on all keyboards; if you don't specify US international, but standard US, your right
> Alt is just an Alt key, not an AltGr key!

argh!
One more reason for a user-based setting.. but anyway, PM need a default konfiguration.

STRG + Ins  and + Up  without saving
STRG + Del  +  Down  saving

Pressing three keys, I thought you tried to prevent that or do I misunderstand you???  Anyway, I stick with my earlier proposition in this case: Alt+Up and Alt+Down for no save.  Nice and easy, as well as almost fully intuitive (or so I hope).

I mean:
STRG + Ins for left, + Up for right .. etc.. but your's also fine.
So, ALT + Ins for right&save, ALT + Del for left&save?



> By the way, CTRL + Ins is already defined and means "Copy".  (the same as Shift+Ins means "Paste" and Shift+Del means "Cut").

Who use this? I always use for copy&past STRG+C  / STRG+V

But if we really take care about speed, we should use something like ALT - Z and Alt + X (german: alt + Y)

For the others, we have to move our hands more

That is nice and easy, but not really intuitive (why Alt+Y for german? the Z and X are positioned the same, aren't they?).  The Alt+[, Alt+] and Alt+Shift+[ and Alt+Shift+] are at least intuitive as soon as you've used them once.  Oh, and the Z is not positioned the same on a French keyboard either...

no, Y and Z are on german/english kb-layout not on the same place: look http://forums.camerabits.com/index.php?topic=1557.msg9514#msg9514



cu,
Brendan

[Hayo Baan]

Hi Brendan,

So, ALT + Ins for right&save, ALT + Del for left&save?

No actually a lot simpler:
Alt+Up and Alt+Down for next/previous without save?
Alt+Left and Alt+Right for next/previous with save

> By the way, CTRL + Ins is already defined and means "Copy".  (the same as Shift+Ins means "Paste" and Shift+Del means "Cut").
Who use this? I always use for copy&past STRG+C  / STRG+V

Actually I do .  But then again I actually use both the CTRL+X/CTRL+C/CTRL+V and Shift+Del/CTRL+Ins/Shift+Ins combinations

no, Y and Z are on german/english kb-layout not on the same place: look http://forums.camerabits.com/index.php?topic=1557.msg9514#msg9514

Those silly Germans, mixing up a perfectly good keyboard 

Cheers!